Former US President Barack Obama has beaten Donald Trump’s repeated calls for indictment and prosecution and dismissed the president’s theories as “absurd”.
In an interview with Fox Business last week, the president said Obama, his 2020 election opponent Joe Biden, and his 2016 opponent Hillary Clinton should face charges and criminal charges.
“Unless Bill Barr charges these people for crimes, the greatest political crime in our country’s history, we will be little satisfied if I win,” he said.
“And we just have to go because I won’t forget it.”
Mr Trump also tweeted on the topic, often in capital letters.
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Mr. Obama appeared overnight on Pod Save America, a podcast by former collaborators Jon Favreau, Tommy Vietor, and Jon Lovett.
It would never be a hostile interview, so keep that in mind as we go through the questions you asked Mr. Obama along with his answers.
“President Trump keeps tweeting that the attorney general should indict you or Vice President Biden for spying on his campaign,” said Vietor.
“The claim is absurd. It is wrong. It seems only part of his general anger at any discussion of Russian meddling in the 2016 campaign. It’s remarkable to me how much I got used to this type of language (Washington) DC.
“Is it weird for you when he tweets that you should be charged?”
“Well, look like you said, this is something that even its Republicans are just pretending not to happen,” Obama said of Trump’s comments.
“They evade reporters when asked about it. So absurd are the allegations that even Republican-controlled committees dealing with them have dismissed them. And you know, Attorney General (William) Barr fired you. ”
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Several investigations conducted by both major parties in Congress and Trump’s Justice Department have found no evidence that Mr Obama was involved in initiating the FBI’s investigation into Russia’s election meddling against four people related to the 2016 Trump campaign.
“We have found no documentary or significant evidence that political prejudice or inappropriate motivation influenced the decision to open the Crossfire Hurricane,” said the Justice Department Inspector General in his report, using the code name of the FBI operation.
These investigations also found no evidence that Mr. Obama interfered in the operation after the operation began.
Mr. Barr is currently overseeing further investigation into the origins of the FBI’s investigation. It is headed by former United States attorney for Connecticut, John Durham, who is unlikely to present his results before the November election.
Back in May, Mr. Barr said he did not expect Mr. Durham’s work to “lead to a criminal investigation” into either Mr. Obama or Mr. Biden.
“Our concerns about potential crime are focused on others,” he said.
“Not every abuse of power, no matter how outrageous it may be, is necessarily a federal crime.”
However, the attorney general continues to agree with Mr Trump’s view that his 2016 campaign was treated unfairly.
Anyway, back to Obama’s interview.
“I think this is an example of a bigger problem. Well, two bigger issues that understandably don’t get that much attention when you have high unemployment and a pandemic, ”he continued.
“But one of the central cornerstones of democracy is the idea that you do not allow the politicization of the criminal justice system, the secret service system and the military. This is something you are keeping out of politics because it’s too dangerous.
“You cannot have a democracy where political opponents are exposed to this kind of inflammatory language.
“Now he’s done the same thing with Hillary and the ‘lock her up’ issue. And so I am not surprised that it will continue. I’m disappointed that Republicans who know better haven’t checked it out.
“And I think a very important question after the election, even if it goes well for Joe Biden, is whether you start to see the Republican Party restore the feeling, ‘Here are the norms that we cannot break . ‘ Because he hurt them all and they didn’t say to him, ‘This is too far.’ ”
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The second “major problem”, according to Obama, was “misinformation” in the news and social media.
“This is a problem that Trump will outlast. Trump is a symptom of this and an accelerator for it. But he didn’t make it, ”he said.
“It was charged through social media, and because the Prime Minister used it.
“But when you look at crazy conspiracy theories like QAnon that are invading the mainstream Republican Party, you are saying that there are no more guard rails in this media ecosystem.”
The QAnon conspiracy theory includes, among other things, the belief that Mr Trump is secretly fighting a cabal of sexual predators of children, including prominent Democrats.
Whether, as Obama says, it has infiltrated the mainstream Republican Party is a matter of opinion. Some of the party’s congressional candidates believe in the theory, but few of them are likely to win seats.
Mr Trump himself was reluctant to condemn QAnon. When asked about the group during a media briefing at the White House in August, he instead praised their supporters.
“Well, I don’t know much about the movement unless I understand that they like me very much. Which I really appreciate, ”said the President.
“But I don’t know much about the movement. I’ve heard it’s getting popular, and from what I hear, these are people who – when they’re watching the streets of Portland … those people don’t like what’s going on in places like Portland, places like Chicago , and New York and other cities.
“And I’ve heard that these are people who love our country. And they just don’t like to see it. So I really don’t know anything about it except that they supposedly like me. ”
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Mr Obama said misinformation is not an issue of progressive or conservative politics.
“This is really a real issue from American society. How can we restore some lines of truth that at least the vast majority of people can agree with? ”He said.
“And then we could have a whole bunch of debates about it – all right, yes, climate change is real. But Republicans think we just have to adapt because we can’t give up our cars. And progressives say no, we should use these alternative technologies.
“We can have this debate. I have some pretty strong views on this. But if you say climate change is a joke, there is nothing we can do.
“The same applies to COVID. Well, you know, when you say, “Yeah, COVID is a real, really big problem. Serious illness, here is the science we can agree with. ‘And then you have a country like Sweden that decides. “Well, we think we’ll try to address this through herd immunity.”
“At least their reasoning is coherent. I do not agree. I don’t think it’s proven. But we are in the same reality in our debates.
“We have to find ways to do that. I don’t have a quick answer to that because part of what happens in these echo chambers is that they become impenetrable.
“Any information that contradicts the worldview and the conspiracies contained therein or the conspiracy theories contained therein is rejected as part of a conspiracy and as part of the liberal conspiracy.”
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